@Raj I feel it is a mix of it all. Warped and messed up the whole thing is. About the reason for over politicisation, no clue. The line is getting thinner and thinner between fact and fake.
@Radha that contention is arguable. It is sort of like saying because DDLJ is about a certain class of people it perpetuates the 'wear fancy clothes and dance around' mindset. These films have hundreds of characters, we focus on the 4-5 main characters. But there are plenty others who are not perpetuating that mindset. I for one, take that with a pinch of salt and say the story is about these 4-5 characters and they are what they are. All of them might happen to be of a particular mindset but that doesn't mean the writers are saying everyone from that country is like that.
Spoiler Warning: This comment has content that will give the movie away @Radha Krishnan It bothered me a lot when he pursued even when she persistently backed off. And I felt horrible that she had to change her life to get out of the situation. The unfairness was just gut-wrenching.
Until, the last scene, it was ambiguous whether or not she reciprocated his feelings. And that last scene settled that. Then I was fine in calling it a romance.
I don't know about the book's target audience being international bibliophiles, haven't read it. But, the movie surely felt like it was reinforcing a stereotype against the financially vulnerable.
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Hey Siddharth, I have actually seen the film again. Found Boman Irani's character even more gullible the second time. So the story didn't quite click with me. Doesn't mean it is not allowed to click with others :D
I think this discussion will be more meaningful after you have seen the film @Anupam
Meanwhile, I haven't once mentioned gender in my comment.
Your point: "Domestic violence (mental/physical) is also suffered by men continuously. That is also a reality. May be more mental than physical. But making a movie about that won't sell, would it?"
Films like "Pyaar ka Panchnaama" are made and sell well too. Sure, it is difficult to take them seriously. The question then to ask, is why are serious films about mental harassment of men not made? There seems to be a market for them. So, that is not the problem.
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@Anupam Kids should watch it because kids also witness domestic violence and mental harrassment. Kids should watch it to know that - even one slap is not ok - even one act of "putting down" is not ok - even a belief that people are supporting each other unnecessarily when one of them has gone through one of the above is not ok
People who think one-odd slap is ok, don't need saving. People who think they can put another person down because they think the latter couldn't have been successful without them don't need saving. People who think others are being unreasonable in supporting those who have gone through the above don't need saving.
Being unbiased would also mean I shouldn't watch genres that I like because that would mean I go with a pre-conceived positive notion.
I totally respect the time and effort put in by the film-makers. So, most times, if I am stuck between two ratings, I go for the higher one. If it were not for them and their effort, I wouldn't be watching any movies at all.
Also, I respect that my choice will not match my readers' choice. Which is why, I write my reviews such that the reader knows why I didn't like or like the film. If they think their ideas match with mine, they should go with my rating. If they think my reasons are not good enough, they take the opposite call. I have explained this in detail here--https://wogma.com/article/why-read-a-review/
I have realised there are two genres I dislike--horror and adult sex-comedy. The latter, I know there is zero-to-negligible chance of me liking it, so I skip it with the reasons given in a note on the movie Horror though, I know I don't like because of the creepiness it creates inside me physically. So, if I get that feeling, it means the movie is well-made. And I rate it accordingly.
I know, right! But have no one to cover, so you got to do what you got to do. I have a feeling horror films get a rating more than what they are worth because I scare easy.
How is the political party relevant? Why should there be any statues at all, let alone expensive ones? From whatever little I know of them, many of these personalities, if not all, might have preferred no statue at all. Or, at least, I hope so. I am sure we can think of better ways to remind ourselves and our children of these personalities. That is my ideology, which also includes not insulting/attacking anyone. So, my apologies that it came across that way.
Point is, 7 Mission Mangals could have happened in the budget of one of these statues. Or maybe, the scientists who worked on them could have had better resources. I mean the mission, not the movie. ;P
Raj, maybe. Or maybe the director perceives the audience as you say.
Thank you, Raj. :D
Always :D
He is unassuming for sure :)
Thank you so much :)
Thank you :)
Yep!
Thank you @Raj!
@Raj oh I did not know it was written for Irrfan.
Some bits that might be considered drawbacks though--slow, violent--is what made the film good.
ha ha ha. Glad to be of service :P
@Raj I don't mind the typecast just yet. Also, I think anyone who makes a film is working hard.
@Raj ha ha ha. Yeah, a reader had asked me to review it. Else, I might have skipped it too. Gave me very bad Kabir Singh vibes in the first half.
@Raj I feel it is a mix of it all. Warped and messed up the whole thing is. About the reason for over politicisation, no clue. The line is getting thinner and thinner between fact and fake.
Yeah @Raj, the intent is hardly hidden. If only they really cared for the story they were telling without any agenda.
Agree @Raj. Every time this tendency feels more and more like a waste of a lovely story. :(
ha ha ha
**shudder** at the thought of that though.
Bhuj is even worse.
Thank you.
@Raj Thank you thank you!
@Raj thank you!
@Raj ha ha. I have no idea about their personal lives.
@Raj Thank you. Yes, indeed, we seem to have come a far way from where we were, and yet we have made little progress.
he he he @Raj
Might as well get a laugh out of it :D
Glad you enjoyed the review, @Raj. And thank you so much for your kind words and support.
Done! https://wogma.com/movie/ajeeb-daastaans-default/
Thanks, I hope to be more regular. *Fingers crossed*
@Radha that contention is arguable. It is sort of like saying because DDLJ is about a certain class of people it perpetuates the 'wear fancy clothes and dance around' mindset. These films have hundreds of characters, we focus on the 4-5 main characters. But there are plenty others who are not perpetuating that mindset. I for one, take that with a pinch of salt and say the story is about these 4-5 characters and they are what they are. All of them might happen to be of a particular mindset but that doesn't mean the writers are saying everyone from that country is like that.
Spoiler Warning: This comment has content that will give the movie away
@Radha Krishnan It bothered me a lot when he pursued even when she persistently backed off. And I felt horrible that she had to change her life to get out of the situation. The unfairness was just gut-wrenching.
Until, the last scene, it was ambiguous whether or not she reciprocated his feelings. And that last scene settled that. Then I was fine in calling it a romance.
I don't know about the book's target audience being international bibliophiles, haven't read it. But, the movie surely felt like it was reinforcing a stereotype against the financially vulnerable.
Yes, it is certainly less shrill than I expected it to be. Do let us know what you thought of the film. Will be nice to have another perspective :D
@Roy Thank you! Will watch Mangrove! Thanks for the recommendation.
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@Raj :) Happy to be back. One Friday at a time. Do watch and let us know what you thought.
Sorry about that @johnson917.4brather.com Will look into it.
Thank you so much, Rishita! Welcome to wogma!
Hey Siddharth, I have actually seen the film again. Found Boman Irani's character even more gullible the second time. So the story didn't quite click with me. Doesn't mean it is not allowed to click with others :D
Oh well, @Abhinav. Sorry to hear that. Next time, check review first ;)
I think this discussion will be more meaningful after you have seen the film @Anupam
Meanwhile, I haven't once mentioned gender in my comment.
Your point: "Domestic violence (mental/physical) is also suffered by men continuously. That is also a reality. May be more mental than physical. But making a movie about that won't sell, would it?"
Films like "Pyaar ka Panchnaama" are made and sell well too. Sure, it is difficult to take them seriously. The question then to ask, is why are serious films about mental harassment of men not made? There seems to be a market for them. So, that is not the problem.
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@Anupam Kids should watch it because kids also witness domestic violence and mental harrassment.
Kids should watch it to know that
- even one slap is not ok
- even one act of "putting down" is not ok
- even a belief that people are supporting each other unnecessarily when one of them has gone through one of the above is not ok
People who think one-odd slap is ok, don't need saving.
People who think they can put another person down because they think the latter couldn't have been successful without them don't need saving.
People who think others are being unreasonable in supporting those who have gone through the above don't need saving.
@Khu I have given this a lot of thought.
Being unbiased would also mean I shouldn't watch genres that I like because that would mean I go with a pre-conceived positive notion.
I totally respect the time and effort put in by the film-makers. So, most times, if I am stuck between two ratings, I go for the higher one. If it were not for them and their effort, I wouldn't be watching any movies at all.
Also, I respect that my choice will not match my readers' choice. Which is why, I write my reviews such that the reader knows why I didn't like or like the film. If they think their ideas match with mine, they should go with my rating. If they think my reasons are not good enough, they take the opposite call. I have explained this in detail here--https://wogma.com/article/why-read-a-review/
I have realised there are two genres I dislike--horror and adult sex-comedy. The latter, I know there is zero-to-negligible chance of me liking it, so I skip it with the reasons given in a note on the movie Horror though, I know I don't like because of the creepiness it creates inside me physically. So, if I get that feeling, it means the movie is well-made. And I rate it accordingly.
@Raj Thank you. :)
If the censor cuts caused the disconnect, that is as sad as it is awful :(
@TimELiebe I had the same reactions when I heard of this first too :/
I know, right! But have no one to cover, so you got to do what you got to do. I have a feeling horror films get a rating more than what they are worth because I scare easy.
Dostana was still slapsticky. This one looks like it will be a slightly more mature take.
ps. welcome back!
Thank you so much, Aki :)
@Amit **fingers crossed**
@Roy J I see what you mean. It is disturbing indeed.
@Absar thank you.
@Pomita True, another one I could think of after I wrote the review was ZNMD. But still, not enough, right?
Many congratulations to your daughter, Samir!
Thank you gourav. And four days ago, it turned 13!
aaawww thank you, @Pomita!
Oh and didn't know Ravish Kumar might have coined the term. Good one!
@Pomita yes, perspectives indeed. :)
I am happy that readers go down right till the last line. :D
How is the political party relevant? Why should there be any statues at all, let alone expensive ones? From whatever little I know of them, many of these personalities, if not all, might have preferred no statue at all. Or, at least, I hope so. I am sure we can think of better ways to remind ourselves and our children of these personalities. That is my ideology, which also includes not insulting/attacking anyone. So, my apologies that it came across that way.
Point is, 7 Mission Mangals could have happened in the budget of one of these statues. Or maybe, the scientists who worked on them could have had better resources. I mean the mission, not the movie. ;P