Oh, and I think if you're saying giving justifications of why a villain is evil is basically bollywood showing its morality; then aren't yesteryear villains just bad for the sake of being bad?
I think it's the other way round. In trying to show us the human nature of villains, the reasons as to why they're evil, they're letting us understand that character's motivations a little more.
If they didn't "justify" the deed, and let black be black, I'd think THAT was being narrow-mindedly, suffocatingly moral. This sense that bad is just bad, that's it.
Almost all our prime time television has a binary of good/bad, in very caricaturish terms. Obviously a lot of people are connecting with it and relating to it, and lapping it up, if they're still running. (I'm not disregarding the vice versa of since we keep churning out such stuff, we'll watch such stuff).
I'm sure Byronic heroes were more than adequately represented in the films of Guru Dutt, actors like Dilip Kumar. And there were stylish women in Indian cinema way before Karisma. Zeenat Aman, Neetu Singh, Saira Banu, Hema Malini. Not just in their vamp roles, but otherwise as well.
I agree with Samir. If you're saying black/white characters are unreal and we need to do away with the politics of colour (in characterization, not racial profiles), then you're merely substituting one law with another. One set of colours, with another. If you're saying the world isn't divided into black and white ideas, then I don't know, need we assume it's divided into three?
There is indeed the argument, that the "grey" is just symbolic and representative of a myriad of permutations and combinations that make us all complex people to label. But couldn't you then, extend the same logic to the black/white? Yes they are sickeningly good, or unbelievably (almost comically) evil, and I'm not at all arguing for those sort of movies( it's quite refreshing to have these complex, believable characters etched out) but could they be regarded as symbolic and representative of a larger philosophy as opposed to just the idiosyncracies of ONE subject they are expressed through?
So if we're doing away with colours, I'd vote for it, certainly, but I think we need to follow it through and chuck the "grey" as well. Cause, in your comment, if you're saying some characters we'll never meet in life (which I tend to distrust)are hence unreal = grey ; then why do you have a problem with black/white = unreal?
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Oh, and I think if you're saying giving justifications of why a villain is evil is basically bollywood showing its morality; then aren't yesteryear villains just bad for the sake of being bad?
I think it's the other way round. In trying to show us the human nature of villains, the reasons as to why they're evil, they're letting us understand that character's motivations a little more.
If they didn't "justify" the deed, and let black be black, I'd think THAT was being narrow-mindedly, suffocatingly moral. This sense that bad is just bad, that's it.
Almost all our prime time television has a binary of good/bad, in very caricaturish terms. Obviously a lot of people are connecting with it and relating to it, and lapping it up, if they're still running. (I'm not disregarding the vice versa of since we keep churning out such stuff, we'll watch such stuff).
I'm sure Byronic heroes were more than adequately represented in the films of Guru Dutt, actors like Dilip Kumar. And there were stylish women in Indian cinema way before Karisma. Zeenat Aman, Neetu Singh, Saira Banu, Hema Malini. Not just in their vamp roles, but otherwise as well.
I agree with Samir. If you're saying black/white characters are unreal and we need to do away with the politics of colour (in characterization, not racial profiles), then you're merely substituting one law with another. One set of colours, with another. If you're saying the world isn't divided into black and white ideas, then I don't know, need we assume it's divided into three?
There is indeed the argument, that the "grey" is just symbolic and representative of a myriad of permutations and combinations that make us all complex people to label. But couldn't you then, extend the same logic to the black/white? Yes they are sickeningly good, or unbelievably (almost comically) evil, and I'm not at all arguing for those sort of movies( it's quite refreshing to have these complex, believable characters etched out) but could they be regarded as symbolic and representative of a larger philosophy as opposed to just the idiosyncracies of ONE subject they are expressed through?
So if we're doing away with colours, I'd vote for it, certainly, but I think we need to follow it through and chuck the "grey" as well. Cause, in your comment, if you're saying some characters we'll never meet in life (which I tend to distrust)are hence unreal = grey ; then why do you have a problem with black/white = unreal?