It's an awesome movie...if u watch one movie a year...then this is teh movie. You review deserves a -5 rating. i think u shud stop writings reviews.

Yep. And Zilch.

Could you please elaborate on your feeling as an outsider? I mean, what made you feel as an outsider?

Exactly! This is a representation that didn't work for me.

bull shit! saw u'll make ur selves as outsiders! n when we point out ur feelings then u'll start cribbing.........

It is shocking to see some of the comments this review has received! I totally agree with Cine Freak. And Meetu, I really appreciate your answers to some of these rude comments.

Thank you!! I knew the reader who thinks I'm getting flak for no reason is lurking around and will comment eventually!! All I've said is that I can see why this film would appeal to the 'marathis' amongst the 'Maharashtrians' and it didn't appeal to me as a non-marathi Maharashtrian. It didn't appeal because it was over-the-top and too on-the-face for my taste.

u r sick meenu....just because of u people i think wt is raj thakre is saying is right. i m not fr manase....i min congress but u people coming form outside comes to mumbai just for money u dont have respect for marathi or maharashtrian...i think people like u need to send to south indian places where those people r so proud of their language.

basically u sat for the movie with an intension that "I WONT LIKE THE MOVIE COZ M AN OUTSIDER!". So the vary root of ur writing is lost!

nishant ... i like to say that ...every one is proud of his or community...i like to say u if u distinguis...india like north indian south indian...then this hatism will one day make india no were.........i like to say u in india there many religion and many languages if we want to make all these community one or in other words if we want to communitate from kashmir to kanyakumari we need one language ..so thats our national language hindi...as indian we should be proud of our national language and even our mother language..

Since you have admitted that you are an "outsider" trying to get involved by becoming this so-called " Maharashtriya"... your opinions are subject to a negative bias... although you have the right to publish your opinions, they does not in any way can be considered a "review" of the film. Also, it's no shame to be of a non-marathi origin...and if you are please say so,,, don't try to be "maharashtriya"

None taken. For me it was an average movie because of the way it was made.

Chauvinism bordering fanaticism we have here. The first point that you make here is so much common sense that I didn't even consider bringing it up. I guess I was wrong, so thanks for doing that. "Bollywood" has loads of regional references. Most of them are either set in a city like Bombay or Delhi where characters speak the local dialect, or they are set in a specific community. Some communities are referred/stereotyped in mainstream films much more than others that the communities are known to "outsiders" as per their portrayal in the films. So, yeah...Absolutely, all films are regional.

Wait a minute...I refuse to believe any of us are gullible enough to be fooled by anyone else. And is this to mean that it's okay for all Americans and Europeans to be biased against Asians migrating there? I give up. I plain and simple 'give up'.

Why share it wehn everyone has their own state? Why encroach on someone else's in the name of sharing? First people migrate to another state and then later start bullying the locals and call themselves insiders? Take your children to your own state and teach them anything you want.

Exactly! Kannadi's have Karnataka, Mallus have Kerela, Tamils have T.N., Punjabi's have Punjab, Telgu's have A.P., Gujju's have Gujrat, Begalis have West Bengal................ THEN Y CANT A MARATHI HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OVER MAHARASHTRA WHICH IS HIS IN THE FIRST PLACE BEFORE ANY OUTSIDER! In all the states except Maharashtra the regional language, theatre, culture in preserved! then y not Maharashtra! See who's the COmmissioner of Police - NON MARATHI, see who is on all high post's - NON MARATHI........... THERE IS NOT EVEN A SINGLE MARATHI PM TILL NOW.......... Y! is this SHARING U CALL!!!!!!!!

Think about a movie like "Border" or "Gadar" or "Lakshya" being called "jingoistic" in India because of the tensions that we have with Pakistan...You must agree that in all these "patriotic" films Indian heroes are supermen and Pakistanis are incompetent....why is so? Because the film is made in India and made for Indians only ... So the point is this; this film is made in Maharashtra and made for Marathis only... So your criticism of this film has angered most Marathis as you can see from these comments. If you don't like the film please say so. Say that it's a badly made movie. That's fine. But in a country where feelings of minorities are valued so much, you must consider the feelings of Marathis (which are a minority in numbers). Film reviews are no political statements. So watch it.

Marathis = Maharashtrians. Dont work fuck around with words !

Yes, Humans have always migrated and they always will, no doubt about that. The question is should migrants adopt the local customs and language or should the local population adapt and change to include the migrant's language and culture. Culture and Languages are constantly evolving as more cultures and languages come together. But this cultural evolution should always be a two way street, you give some and you take some. What is happening in Maharashtra today is a conspiracy to force one culture and language upon the locals. If Maharashtrians can go the extra mile and learn Hindi while living in their own state why can't non-Maharashtrians living in Maharashtra learn Marathi. After all these same people expect Maharashtrians to learn the local language when Maharashtrians migrate to other states.

Also the issue of migration in Maharashtra is not specific to Mumbai. A lot of second and third tier cities and towns in Maharashtra are impacted by the uncontrolled influx of migrants. There should be no opposition to movement of people within the country but again this movement of people should be not be at the expense of the local economy and local jobs. There is also a lot cronyism when it comes to jobs where locals are sidelined. The argument that migrants are more skilled than locals is also myth and sort of irrelevant because most of the migration is of unskilled labour. Businesses that use the local infrastructure and benefit from the state governments liberal policies and the state's relatively better law and order situation should make an effort to hire local people.

मी जे काही बोललो ते तुमच्या डोक्या वरुण गेल अस मला वाटत.

Thank you Rajan, was exasperated to know that all this abuse with someone who hasn't even seen the film!

ya chitrapatane majhaya manavar kholvar parinam kela aahe. a salute to mahesh manjrekar. thankyou for writing such a outstanding ,excellant.super duper hit movie. kharach manatla marathi manoos jaga kela tumhi. thankyou very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I find it very obtuse when people talk around the film and not about the film. Well since that is the case here, I will do the same. By the way, is making threats some way of making 'Marathis'' presence felt? Languages: Any person "migrating" to Maharahstra can and does speak in Marathi, it is almost impossible to survive if you can't/don't, especially in Pune. I personally think Mumbai will stop functioning if the so-called outsiders left. I also see why so many people are offended by your review meetu, it is natural in this case that people will misunderstand/miss the point you are trying to make in a language they do not understand. They comment and threaten in a language that is not even our National language. If they think Hindi was forced onto them, why do they even bother reading a review written in English? Migration: @ All fanactics participating in this debate, please explain, how one migrates in one's own country? Isn't that the whole point of living in one national state (although, I doubt how many people here actually understand the definition of the term considering their inability to grasp plain English). Going by the definition of migration given by these fanatics, there will come a day when people will have to migrate from Kothrud to Aundh. Marathi manoos: a) would rather someone else do a dirty job than get their own hands dirty. b) shuns responsibility of any sort. c) is all talk no action. It's a cry for the so-called outsiders to take action to save Maharashtra; Marathis don't want to do the job, it's probably beneath their fake pride. I am a Marathi Maharashtrian and I am completely disappointed by the rude and impudent comments made by people who were born into the Marathi culture as Marathis. Culture, one of the finest things about Marathi manoos, and here they take that away (as well) by making such arrogant, self-important and selfish comments. Meetu, commendable job replying to these comments. You go gal!

One must understand that India is not a homogeneous country. Every state has its own culture. In this respect we are more like Europe. These states were formed on the basis of the language. I see no reason to change the system. You said "Marathi manoos: a) would rather someone else do a dirty job than get their own hands dirty. b) shuns responsibility of any sort. c) is all talk no action." I think this is your perception about marathis and this could not be farther from the truth. I don't think "pooj" is a marathi maharashtrian but an impostor. I am sorry to say "pooj" but no marathi talks like this about their own community. Just for the record I HAVE seen the movie.

Now you are saying that this movie has an intention to be fair to everyone in maharashtra.... and you call the movie a jingoistic splendor ! KAMAAL AHE...First decide what your opinion about the movie is Meetu

No, he didn't mean the Maratha community at all! I do think you are a good reviewer Meetu, but I don't think you have understood this movie. Also I don't agree that mentioning the great people past is annoying, I find it so odd that you say that! This is a movie about MH and about Maharahstrians, it is meant to wake up the dormant spirit of the Maharashtrians, and ofcourse each and every great person should be mentioned! In fact I felt more people should be mentioned, whether there is any sense of jealousy or not from those who live outside the state. Also I do not think that the message that you say were subtly delivered should have been hammered in. This was very clever of Manjrekar and he showed the rest through action!! Shivaji himself never did anything, simply told Dinkar Bhosale that he needed to wake up. Throughout the movie Bhosale himself does things to improve his lot and that is the main message of the movie, and I don't think the message is subtle at all...it's in your face through the action! And as for the dramatic representation, the movie as a whole is exaggerated, the "solutions" are not to be taken literally just as we need not believe that Shivaji actually came there to meet Dinkar. Workable and realistic solutions will be presented in a realistic movie, not in this kind of movie. The solutions presented went with the style of the movie, it all jelled.

Hi Nikhil, I am sure that if you are a regular reader, then you must know that the rating system used here is not stars.What is used is a symbolic recommendation, if you can call it so. Just to update you, the last movie which got the 'Must watch' rating is 'Gulaal', which was released in Mid-march. So get your facts right.

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:) :) :) all i can do is smile while reading you comment, pooj. Not only because you complimented me - thanks for that - but because I agree with you. And everything you said is so plain 'a given' for me, that I can't be bothered to bring it up. Kothrud-Aundh ... lol! Thanks, thanks...for doing so...

That would mean no one can comment on Sachin Tendulkar playing outside the off-stump or food made by anyone who cooks for you without actually playing cricket like Sachin or cooking for yourself. But that's not how it works, right? You are right, I don't go gaga over movies very easily. But I do find quite a few of them o-kay.

Sorry Nikhil, I should have gotten back to you earlier. The point I try to emphasize over and over again is that I can write only what I think of the film and not other people's opinions. So, what I try to do here is give justifications or at least point out what bothers me and what I like. So if your choice matches you can go as per the review. If it doesn't then you can decide based on the observations made about the film here.

Allright Nikhil, you liked "Jab We met"... but why should it be in the 'Must Watch' category, I also liked Jaane Tu ya Jaane Na, and Johnny Gaddar, and would personally rate it as a 'Must Watch' . But thats my opinion and i cant force it upon you, neither can i force it upon the reviewer. Should every movie be a must-watch ? If yes, then lets rate Garam masala, Cash, Jhoom Barabar Jhoom , Aap ka Surror as 'Must watch' movies. Get my point ?

hey you all buggers..you people dont have any work and waste your time on debating very stupid issues..there are so many major issues happening in world..i asked you all if you can give me a link to watch this muvee..all useless folks..neway u'll guyz carry on with baseless debate n waste ur time...

Look whos talking !

Loved the movie. There are flaws but can be overlooked. Nothing is perfect and this review is the worst.

Rohan, even deleting a comment which is threatening in nature is giving it too much importance, that is why I ignored your comments thus far. But this is the first time a commenter has insisted that I respond to him/her. So here goes - 1. I don't think I have contradicted myself either in the review or in the comments. 2. How convenient is it for you to get all worked up about the word "jingoistic" and completely ignore the word that comes right after "splendor". I thought the bits where the film narrates Shivaji Raje's stories were just awesome and had a very nice grandeur about them. But the fact remains that the film went overboard in showing the pride. E.g. The director who had changed his name from a Maharashtrian name to fit in "Bollywood". Come on...just a word from Mr. Bhosale and his pride is back and how? These kind of things were over-the-top for my taste. 3. "Gadar" I haven't seen, so I'll save comment. "Border" and "Lakshya" I saw when they released, so please bear with my memory. I remember both these as presenting their point of view with subtlety. I'm really sorry I don't remember the details. But if the film went overboard with, "I'm of so and so country/community/religion and thus I have this extra pride" I'd say I didn't like that bit where they say that. Anything that calls or justifies one human being superior to another - I call extreme. 4. I refuse to say that if a film is made with X community in mind, no one else should watch it or comment on it. If this film got an opportunity to be presented in an International Film Festival would the makers have not taken it? I doubt it. 5. If each of our communities/states/religions are counted by themselves there would be very few majorities. Like Marathis - Punjabis, Marwadis, Keralites - are all minorities. 6. I didn't think it was an entirely badly made film. It was an okay made film. I liked some bits and I didn't like others. I can completely understand why Marathis will like it better, though they'll completely miss the point that the film is trying to make, "Don't sit there and complain about being marginalised. No one has stopped you. Get up and get your act together. And don't call people who have lived with you as neighbors for ages - outsiders - they are as much a part of the system here as you are." I did not make a political statement. It is an opinion, a review, and it stays only that. 7. Kothrud-Aundh: So the boundaries will be exactly what Rohan Patil decides? 8. Of course, I like being complimented. Now what? I'm not supposed to be human? I agree because they make sense. While I'm at doing things that I don't usually do like replying to a comment that I would have usually ignored, let me go ahead and justify myself too...there was a commenter who was very sweet and talking on my behalf but with slightly harsh language, I asked him to avoid such language. Rohan tell me, why is my taste supposed to match yours? What I find perfect could be distasteful according to you, so what? The way to take wogma reviews (maybe any review) is to see what the reviewer liked/didn't like and say "ok, she didn't like this, but I don't mind over-the-top. She is not a Maharashtrian, so she can't identify with it, but it works for me. So, I'll go for this or I like it better than her." What's so wrong about that? Language like "So watch it" will receive the silent treatment and not be disturbed how many ever times you copy-paste your comments from now on. Because it is like talking to a wall. There's never a healthy discussion there, there's always name-calling and an attempt to impose one's views on others.

Hi Meeta, Interesting review - it seems to have touched a raw nerve with several people. Just as the film-maker carries significant responsibility towards his audience - similarly it is also the reviewers responsibility to clearly abstract the subject matter of the film (ie. marginalization of a community) from the quality of the movie (making). When you compared the movie to lage raho... it was then that your point struck home. Lage Raho is immensely watchable...even if you don't subscribe to Mahatma's philosophy. Mainstream movies are after all entertainment, and it appears that what you are saying is that the movie does not entertain. If you were to re-touch this review, I'd drive home that point much more clearly. This film may have failed in it's objective to entertain you and me. But I would be careful about using the word 'outsider' - as it has too many ambiguous connotations. Great work! Santosh

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मराठी चे समर्थक आहेत आणि इंग्रजी लिपीचा आधार घेत आहेत...या वरुनच तुमची बौद्धिक कुवत कळते..!! एकीकडे मराठी च्या नवानि गळा काढायचा आणि दुसरीकडे इंग्रजीचा उदो उदो करायचा?? गेट अ लाइफ..ड्यूड...अँड य्यू, स्टॉप कामेंटिंग ओन् तीस साइट, ते ओथोर इस गेटिंग लोटसा फ्री पब्लिसिटी..अँड दट टू आट द कॉस्ट ऑफ युवर बॅंडविड्त..स्टॉप बिंग अ सकर..!!

I am a maharshtrian and it is these jingoistic parochial idiots like Abhi who bring shame to the marathi community. U want a Marathi PM ?? Look what the Marathi home minister Shivraj Patil has done !!! Who has stopped you from achieving ur goals and preserving ur own "culture" ? You seem to be afraid of competing and want ur mediocrity to be protected in name of Marathi culture. Get a life !!!!

खरच आहे आणि हाइकू आवडला.

@ हार्टब्रेकिंगगॅल - तू हे मराठी मधे लिहु शकली असती..उगीच इंग्लीश मधून 'मी मराठी आहे' असे कितीही ओरडले तरी त्याचा फारसा ऊपयोग होत नाही..प्लेज, किमान देवनागरी लिपीचा वापर करावा..

Asuph, sorry, sorry...my bad! Eureka...new definition - Marathi movie not must watch = outsider!! Now did I get it?

बर बर..भावना पोहोचल्या..मंडळ आभारी आहे..! ;)

Meetu, By replying the unparliamentary comments, you might be encouraging them. I say, just delete them. They don't deserve your response if they don't observe some basic courtesy. Don't let this site run over by those whose training ground is rediff. BTW, I have seen the film and it's just average. Dombivali Fast probably captures the outrage of "aam aadmi" much succinctly.

Not that I have anything to prove to you or anyone else, I choose to write in English because that is a choice that is mine to make. Speaking and writing in Marathi doesn't make one a Maharashtrian. Additionally, languages are meant to communicate with people and build bridges, not to discriminate.

Speaking and writing in Marathi doesn't make one a Maharashtrian. मुद्दा मराठी अस्मितेचा आहे..महाराष्ट्र किंवा उत्तर प्रदेश चा नाही...यू आर मेकिंग अ मिस्टेक इन अंडरस्टॅंडिंग द पॉइण्ट..लेट इट बी, गोड ब्लेस्स यू..आणि हो, तू हा सिनेमा पाहिला आहेस का??

Hmmm....Santosh, I brought up Lage Raho Munnabhai because of the theme of a person from history influencing current situation is the same. I am comparing plot points. The solutions that Lage Raho offers are doable, adaptable, ones offered here are not. I don't always look for 'entertainment' in my films...the stories and character development that are the makers and breakers. A film is as much about its matter as it is about its making. Its the strength of the 'matter' that makes for the 'layers' in a film. Here there were some things that I liked about both 'matter' and 'making' and some things that I didn't like. And I've tried my best to spell them out. Sure, any 'best effort' is not good enough as in there's always room for improvement. Shall certainly try. I use the word 'outsider' often - when I say the film has alienated me, the film didn't make me feel for its characters. That's what I meant here too. It had no political connotations. I don't elaborate every time because I don't feel the need to. There's no way I can deliberate over each word before using it. What you might find ok, someone else might find objectionable.

1. Yes you do contradict. Your approach is changing from calling the movie a jingoistic splendor to saying that " movie has intention of appealing to outsiders" etc. No jingoistic movie has any such intentions. 2. The word "splendor" is used to describe the appearance (grand and gaudy) and not the nature of an object. Thus use of the word splendor does not in any way change the conveyed meaning i.e. "the movie is jingoistic". 3. I have not yet seen a review calling a so-called patriotic movie - "jingoistic". You seem to have a short term memory loss here. Did you just write a review of Ghajini? Just wondering... :) 4. I never questioned your right to comment but I don't think it's a review. Its like a pakistani writing a "review" of "Gadar". 5. Each community must be a majority in its own state. Any attempt to change the demographics certainly stirs up a nasty situation as we have seen in Assam(Killings of hindi speakers), Kashmir(Amarnath shrine board), Delhi (remember sheela dixit's comments) and now in Mumbai (MNS). 6. Just like you I did not like the whole movie or message it carries. I don't think Marathis should be condemned for the huge influx of these "OUTSIDERS". The bhaloos and behenjis of North are responsible for want of economic activity there. 7. Boundaries are decided by the Government of India. I dont decide boundaries. Simple fact is a guy migrating from Kolhapur to Mumbai is not an outsider to Mumbai but a guy migrating from Varanasi or Ranchi to Bambaee is certainly is an OUTSIDER no matter what you say or I say. 8. Everybody likes to be complemented. But you seem to agree with every thing the guy says after complementing you even if those things are ridiculous. As I said earlier that its up to you to decide whether you like the movie or not. I am not complaining about that but when you do not take into account peoples feelings while expressing your opinions on a site like wogma, it becomes more than just a review. Google the name of the film followed by "review" and most people will end up reading your review or someone else's review and make up their opinion. Anyway, I am not going preach about this any more. There is a saying in Marathi ( you understand marathi right?) "Zopalelya manasala apan uthavoo shakato pan zopecha natak karanaryala nahi". Good NIGHT.

Have you ever read such a review in which these movies are called jingoistic? IF yes post the link pleej.

गाढवा पुढे वाचली गीता, वाचणारा गाढव होता..!! किती बिनडोक लोक आहेत...!! @मीताबाई पुढच्या वेळेस एखाद्या मराठी चित्रपटाचे परीक्षण कृपा करून मराठी म्हणजेच देवनागरी लिपीमधे लिहीण्याचा प्रयातना करावा म्हणजे कोणत्याही प्रकारचे गैरसमज होणार नाहीत.

None of these links are reviews of the movie Gadar, u smartass... A passing reference, or a mention of Gadar and a whole review bashing the movie are miles apart... If the critics have a right to write shit movies they don't like, I have the same right to write shit about their reviews...Abusing FREEDOM of Expression aint it?

So let me get this straight: a frivolous, dismissive, off handed dismissal of a movie as jingoistic (by professional reviewers, nonetheless, and that too in SO MANY reviews/articles) is fine. But a review, which actually tries to attempt a serious review (telling what worked for the reviewers, what didn't, and why), but calls a movie jingoistic, is not fine? In any case, the fact that you accept you're writing shit, really leaves me with no further points to make :). If you accept that, bolnech sa.mpale. MAzA weL aaNI shaktI wAchalii. Freedom of expression, sadly, in this country, has degenerated into freedom of making asses of oneself. But then, it's a noble principle. So I'll let you wallow in the mud. I've lost the appetite for that long back. Have fun, asuph

thanks... for movie I have no...words.. But i only know... "Garva Aahe Mala Marathi Aasnyacha"

just amaging amaging movie. really thanks, karan marathi lokana abhiman vatel asa cinema ahai. direct heartla touch karto. direction also very very good, and also the most important star cast. very nice shabada nahit. saglayni khoup chan kam kela ahai. dilouge,sequence,scenes plot,synopsis, characters cut to cut kela ahai. thank you, manali kamerkar

tuzya dhungana javal ahet ... ghalu ka laath ? Maharashtrat Rahun maharashtracha apamaan.. bhikaradi... tond bagh aarashaat aadhi

great movie . every maharashtrian should watch this. true picture of marathi society where marathi people ( specially at commanding posts ) are responsible for restricting other marathi people's in getting ahead .

I think the reviewer failed to understand the main crux of the movie. the reviewers comment that the movie did not work makes no sense. I feel the reviewer is novice and needs to have better understanding to review a movie.

This one is very biased review. Marathi means who has been living in Maharashtra and it is not about caste and community. You are overlooking the dialogues from protagonist saying 'the people migrated here are living since last generation, their children are learning in Marathi medium schools and they are Maharashtrian'. Moreover, the film ends with a strong social message explaining the importance of voting and common man's involvement in politics to make society the better place. Such biased and pathetic reviews will not stop audience from watching movie repeatedly. Here audience means not the 'target audience' you are talking about. It includes everyone who has the feeling for Maharashtra.

me marathi

i would also like to know who the hell has given the ratings?..n the movie dint work??who says that?reviewer?..what r u saying abt typecasting?that is rather heavily done in the hindi movies..a marathi person is shown as a maid or a servant or a funny idiotic character, over the years, no one questions that. N there is always this overdose of punjabi, bihari or gujarati culture in hindi movies or hindi serials..no one questions that..this is a marathi movie..n there is nothing wrong in mentioning marathi achievers to those who think they cannot achieve something being a maharashtrian...why is it annoying to u..r u jealous??

well..i haven't watched the movie...but i have seen trailers and heard songs and i long to watch it...i am waiting for the dvd to come out as i am not in India... but i strongly believe that the movie will be really good...its Mahesh Mahjrekar..and the trailers are just awesome... this review sucks btw....even though i haven't watched the movie..i am sure its really good... m really looking forward to watch it...!!!

MSR2B's message is not secluded.it's more global.
I would like to end this post on a note that MSR2B could be any ohter regional movie since it only reiterates the fact to the viewers not to loose their basics and not to be ashamed of